Tuning fade position

  • I have problems tuning my kite in fade position. The nose of the kite comes to much up, I get a great rising fade but, it is almost impossible to flic flac the kite.


    Any suggestions solving this problem, besides of putting extra wheight in the nose??


    Greetings John

  • Salut John,


    Yes for Daniel , and you can also try to move the upper spreader one cm to the top. Check up also the bridle fix points. If it is a bridle with wide extern points (good for precision) the lines in fade position slips down on the leading edges and cannot give enough pression on it for flic-flac or recovering.


    Read the good pages from Ian. There are a lot of good ideas, particularly the backspin topic, in cause off correlation with the fade position.


    Ian Newham

    À plus


    Steph/Elément'Air
    Calvados/France

  • Try to shorten the inner bridle leg.


    A few times the inner leg broke on my Nirvana. Each time, I first recognised it, when I tried to get off a fade. If one inner leg is loose, the kite wont go aut of the fade - If you try to backspin, it is as if you pull on a line tightend on wall :-O


    When i made the miniVirs inner leg to long, i had the same problems.


    Dont shy to shorten it. Most of the time, the inner leg is loose. Only in fades and fade based tricks it becomes more important.

  • I have been playing around some time, moving the upper spreader. But now I am sure the problem must come from the bridle. I use the RT Nirvana bridle, I put the bridle on one of my Nirvana's which original has a std turbo bridle and it would not flic flac at all.


    Is it possible to resize the bridle overall lets say for 85% or is it better to just shorten the inner leg?


    Greetings John

  • The Nirvana flic-flacs [b]perfectly[/b with a RT-bridle. I only fly RT-bridle on std Nirvanas and the flic-flac is one of the 10 composed tricksfor tricksparty2007 that is performed most beautyful by the Nirvana std with RT-bridle.


    do you use the normal upper spreader-positions or the replicapositions?


    If you use the normal, try to fix it 1cm closer to the wingtip (34,5cm from the imaginary nose tip instead of 33,5cm)


    I have both a Nirvana, where it is at 34,5 and one where it's fixed at 33,5. One has a roger-rt-bridle, the other has Richard-rt. And the one with the roger-bridle also had a richard-bridle some weaks ago.


    No matter the bridle or upper spreader postion and even the upper spreader's length (I use 50, 49 and 48cm), it always flic-flaced like a dream.


    I think the problem is your input, not your kite!

  • Hi Pepse,


    I doubt that the problem is my input, with my std turbo bridle it flic flacs also beautiful. I noticed with the RT (Roger settings) the nose rises up too high in fade position (I always get a beautiful rising fade, its very hard not to let the fade rise).
    The input to go to flare position rises up the nose slightly further and thats the main problem I encouter.


    Moving the towpoint more to the spine just slightly solves the problem. I get the feeling that the RT bridle has a very width setting of towpoints and therefore (just like Steph says) the bridle can simply not support the input to flare (maby just in my particular case, I have read great comments about the RT) because it misses preasure on the LE.


    I uses the following settings:


    inc 56
    int 64
    ext 52
    turbo t=5
    t=2 petit vent


    (source Roy Reed)


    Measurments taken from the framing.


    Are these the same settings you use?


    Greetings John
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  • Jup, those measures are right. On my new Nirvana, the inc.-leg is 59, cause it won't pull with my familar length (56cm). But this might be bacuase I don't use p200/p300 in the new one's leadingedge, but shortend Gforce ul and shortend 101cm GF std.